"Thanks Grim,Another, more serious, error in HS, p. 49, is that it gives the license plate of Parent's car as ZLR 694. Ruth Wilson recently opened up more about why she left The Affair and claimed that she didn't feel safe on set. Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . Virtually all of the info I've dug up about Whitson parallels what my friend remembers with the exception of Whitson's family ties. This is from the Twilight Zone! He (O'Neill) said nothing to that effect. It should have been MPK 308. The Hatami incident would not have taken on such magnitude for them {other than the fact that Bugliosi tried to use it to establish that Manson had seen Tate and vice versa} if Tex and Charlie had been such regular visitors while a Family accolyte actually lived there. But you can get some meaty details right here. The Manson Murders, JFK, 9/11, and the Psychopathy of Power She was probably 3 sheets to the wind at the time. Can you put up Hursts testimony in order to settle who was right, Sanders or Bugliosi? While Manson was near the porch, Sharon Tate came to the door to ask who it was, and saw Manson. I saw footage of Manson the other day claiming he'd gone up to the Tate house before Chapman arrived to "see what my children had done." William Garretson claimed that on the afternoon of August 8 while hitchhiking back to Cielo, some guy dressed as a hippie, picked him up. In fact, did he even mention the Family ? I'll research it and test it and weigh it up and shake it to bits ~ and I insist that people do likewise with what I say.Mon Durphy said Kay, I'd like to sit down in a bar one night and listen to some stories, he seems like a really nice guyI know what you mean about him, I kind of agree but, he definitely has had issues for almost half a century where Bugliosi is concerned Well grimtraveller,nice to see you're in top form being skeptical about me..lol.You say grim:"Well, the obvious question to me would be "why would he be talking about a race war to a complete stranger in January of 1969 ? From RFK Jr's instagram post on Wednesday's death of Thane Eugene Cesar, prime suspect in his dad's 1968 murder:The LAPD unit (SUS) that investigated my dads assassination was run by active CIA operatives. According to Sanders, p. 197, Hurst delivered the bicycle between 6:30 and 7:00. He mentioned him once. It's a strange coincidence. What can anyone remember about a place they went yesterday, and I mean detail specific ? It's the inevitable outcome of the crypic utterances. I have the trial transcripts and Rudi Altobelli confirms the dates of who moved in and out and when and who was in the main and guest houses between Melcher's departure and the Polanskis arrival. PDF Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties Neutralizing the Left The Lawyer Swap Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic Mind Control Where Does It All Go? Because the CIA wanted to make the hippie movement look bad in the public eye. As I said on the other blog, the other day I hate Bittaker with a passion. I agree Beauders. Frankly, if I was afraid of any comeback, I wouldn't even be getting involved in an on~line discussion that anyone in the world with an internet connection could chance upon. I've never heard of this Reeve guy in my life"His name first popped up in the book 'Sharon Tate - A Life' by Ed Sanders, which came out in 2016:"..Hatami testified at the trial that Manson wanted to know where 'somebody' lived - referring to Terry Melcher. So he proved his willingness to collude with the Feds. ONeill got an unpublished manuscript called Five Down at Cielo Drive written by three authors, Lt. Helder, Paul Tate, and an FBI man named Roger LeJeunnesse. Retweets. Not the bad eye, the good eye. The morning after the murders, his father realized his son had not been home. Multiple people told O'Neill that Whitson was an intelligence agent infiltrating Manson's group as well as the entire Laurel Canyon milieu. Read up on their historyI'm in full agreement with you on this. Mon didn't Moorehouse start out as a "preacher" and when he met up with Charlie regarding Ruth Ann he was so "enamoured" by him that he willingly GAVE his same daughter to that leacherous 30-something year old ex-con, supposedly to join up with his "sex cult" in order to partake in the drugs and sex that the "cult" offered?So, in other words, he offered his own daughter as some kind of "present" to Charlie so that he could partake in the tawdry dealings of the "cult". Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties Your own personal encyclopedia or something you had published? Reeve John Whitson 1924 1994 Indiana California Reeve John Whitson, 1924 - 1994. And did he not usually have permission for the few occasions he travelled out of state ? Reeve Whitson? In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. The documentary itself raises more questions than it answers and can't shed a positive light on the investigation, which was one of its goals. That doesn't make any sense. bill on Twitter: "Let's talk about Reeve Whitson." / Twitter Imo, He racked up far more than enough of these activities to get sent back. 0 Some people have a fairly good memory recall; of the death troupe, Susan & Linda seemed to. Whitson though is mentioned in literature on the web as being at least associated with the CIA. The similarities include a close relationship with Manson, the desert ranches, Skorzeny, drugs, a probable link to a very secret CIA division, and he was a killer. I've been researching the activities of an old friend's father back in the Laurel Canyon days. They do a lot of illegal, ugly things against man's law, and against God's law. His daughter is a Bluebird survivor and her memories are returning in fractured pieces. ZLR 694 belonged to Sharon's Camaro. I wonder where Moorehouse got a baby grand. About the same time, the dogkeeper William Garretson, arrived back at the guest house, transported by hippies in a van who gave him a ride from Sunset Boulevard. I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and afterI wondered about that but it works either way. View the profiles of people named Reeve Whitson on Facebook. It seems that every time someone new "writes a book" they come up with all kinds of things that have never been thought of. It belonged to them. All be told I love a conspiracy book. As soon as they got home, Abigail spoke to her mother on the phone around 10:00. And has anybody seen Bugliosi's OJ Special ("OJ Simpson: 100% Guilty")? It might have been more accurate to say that Hatami said the name once and Bugliosi said it three times, but I don't see how O'Neill could have put that in his text without appearing overly pedantic. I wouldn't base any findings on what she says. No way this guy was just there to watch. The first car he asked about was Abigail's. CAROL!!! Basically a long winded version of what I said, Chapman said it was there. Or Sonny Reevwhit.Or Reevie Sonwhit. There were a lot of discrepancies in the crime scene that could be resolved by assuming persons other than Texs team made entries into the house. He boasted about his activities in South America, for instance his involvement in the capture of Che Guevara . I can't believe people are trashing O'Neill's book. That dude killed 50+ women and bargained for his life. O'Neill said he got his copy of the book from another journalist. And it just lingers in cyberspace and in time, becomes accepted as some kind of unshakable truth. He lived in 1940, at address, Indiana. Perhaps Manson thought he could recruit me at some point?Who knows?But I will tell you this. And it just so happens to be from a case that has given rise to so many alternative theories and conspiracies and not a great deal of consensus about anything. . I had high hopes when I read that O'Neil had spent twenty years researching the Manson murders, but the book reads like a confession of failure. However, to be fair to ONeill, when I said that Hatami mentioned Whitson four times, I was being a bit sloppy in my choice of words. ONeill interviewed Paul Tate, Sharons father, who said that Whitson was a friend of Roman, Sharon, and Jay. He was a big talker and might have been a bit of Colonel Flagg type, but there is no doubt he had a lot of connections.How Whitson got so close to Bugliosi is strange and helped put pressure on Hatami. Ill bet Sanders is correct. There is a lot more here that doesn't add up. The instance of the book saying that Dean Moorehouse lived at Cielo is unforgivable because it is errantly misleading, pure and simple. It's such a huge book with such a plethora of facts and information that one can semi-overlook things that don't make a material difference to the case. "Not every detail in "Helter Skelter" is correct. He also shared this with Paul Fitzgerald who told him he already knew this.But it's not true. Extended interview: 50 years after the Manson - The Georgia Straight When I went to The Fireside Inn that night to see him play his guitar & sing, there were 4 girls oowing & ahhhing with his every move. Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. Speaking of Dean Moorehouse at Cielo Drive, I thought the following quotes in Tom O'Neill's article "The Holes in Helter Skelter" show that he was indeed at the house but during the summer of 1968I think you'll find that it was at Dennis Wilson's that Dean had some kind of residence during the summer of '68. One learns again that the jury were not sunshine supermen but flawed characters, just like us. officials, KKK, Satanists, Dixie Mafia, Project Bluebird, and MKULTRA, Lookout Mt. A search of newspapers.com shows that he grew up in Kendallville, Indiana, got married to Mary Worch of Santa Monica on Jan. 7, 1952, and that his father worked in the circus. "pg201"Reeve was my main person to help me," PJ Tate said. The Manson Family Blog - Tate LaBianca Murders - TLB - True Crime Private Investigator Reeve Whitson CIA? I'm pretty sure the last time Doris was in the house was for the watching of the moon landing but I do remember her saying it was there though I highly doubt it was upside down like the pics from Aug 9 show, I can't imagine that would be too cool with Col Paul lol, Just as a general statement regarding the killers you have to take into account that BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION they took HUNDREDS of trips on hallucinogenic drugs in addition to smoking marijuana daily, these people are bound to forget various things that most look at as things that are mere footnotes such as what piece of furniture was where, who said what first, where the flag was, what time it was, etc, etc. When I think of those kinds of things, I actually start to get scared. Friday, September 6, 2019 Reeve Whitson William writes: In Tom O'Neill's book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties we learn about Reeve Whitson, a CIA agent disguised as a hippie. One of the girls actually tried his door knob. I read Chaos, and while O'Neill was unable to connect many dots, much of what he discovered was fascinating. This whole ONeill book thing is a collection of tin hat conspiracy bullshitThat, Dave, is being pretty generous.It sounds like Shreck writ large but without the 900+ pages. Not now, however. Reeve Whitson Photos and Premium High Res Pictures - Getty Images C'mon Grim, you know betterThe big reveal was that Danny DeCarlo "ratted out" the Manson crew which was against the biker code.But that has been public knowledge since September 1970.And no, I don't know better. Sometimes, it's actually worth following theories to a logical conclusion. The trial transcript is on Cielodrive.com. But after the murders, it's pouring out of the woodwork {Al Springer, Danny DeCarlo, Virginia Graham, Ronnie Howard, Don Wardand Manson himself as well as other Family members}.Besides which, even if Manson met you and didn't mention a race war, so what ? I'd be willing to buy it if you ever put just a amateurish copy of it together, at 1200 pgs it sounds like you've got alot of content in it, what would make it EXTRA special is if it was indexed, so often I've found myself looking for info on a specific person, date, place, incident, quote, etc and then having to Wade through a million google entries that go nowhere and in the case of some of the minutia of the case not being able to find anything at all on it, Also by "amateurish" I don't mean the content of it but the presentation, I'm not looking for anything put together by a professional publishing company or anything. One correction grimtraveller.When took Charles Mansonbt that "construction site," and later went to The Fireside Inn to hear him play & sing, I had just turned 18 years old, not 19 years old.Oh brother, these senior moments are becoming more & more frequent.GESHLOL Mario George Nitrini 111------The OJ Simpson Case. I wonder if some of you are so dismissive because your default position is to be skeptical, so you're not actually letting the information in. I'm not getting that from Helter Skelter, I'm getting that from Candace Bergen's auto-bio. A lot of people who were involved in this event are dead now, some won't talk and others have spoken of what they know. Since O'Neill's sources said that Whitson was in the house after the murders but before the police came, O'Neill draws the conclusion that Whitson was Manson's partner. It came out in the Watson trial and it was Bugliosi that brought it out. Ha! What's very interesting to me is why was Charlie, a career criminal ON PAROLE, repeatedly released when arrested with drugs, prostituting young girls, possession of stolen property, speeding and leaving the state. Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . There are a lot of unanswered questions here. The Manson Family was certainly involved, but they were not the only onesSounds like there was quite a queue just waiting to off a pregnant actress, a coffee heiress, a barber and awell, Wojiciech.starviego said O'Neill cites an impressive list of witnesses who vouch for Whitson's presence in the sceneNot only are they not impressive, you're kind of being rather evangelastic there, with the stretching, old pal. ,fu A+N@Z"1lOE3I1.fna\Yic8$_vm\Q,Q Z c0#%^;xL`770 8T @/ )X G/ 139 0 obj <>stream Seems like his job was to insinuate himself into every possible source of information. He gave him a piano. But not on substance.because as far as I can see, there hasn't been any.I will say this; I have no idea if you met Charles Manson in January of 1969 on some construction site. The purpose behind the plot was to incite terror among white people and put the blame on black radicals. He had advance knowledge of the murders at the Tate house, because he had the house under surveillance.William, if this guy was a close friend of Sebring, Tate and Polanski, and knew about the murders before they happened, why didn't he warn Tate & Sebring? It's a similar story regarding where the LaBiancas lived, what with all the rumours and theories about Leno moaning about the noise from Harold True's house or chewing out Charlie ~ when a bit of checking will reveal that it never happened. I asked about it. Grim said"Ask yourself what it logically means to have "witnesses that vouch for Whitson's presence in the scene." What I'm getting at is that so many people have said so many things over the years and so often, information has been confused, mis-stated, misconstrued and people have projected something as fact when there has been no evidence to support it or any finding of proof. 1. . I have a really good memory because I have OCD, the only good gift from my diagnosis. It didn't seem to be a secret when it should have been A search of Whitson's extended acrobatic family shows a connection with the OSS, and CIA in their foreign travels with the USO. Her story has changed more than once. I can't imagine Paul Tate lauding someone who could have prevented his daughter's death. He is mentioned several times in the papers and documents of Robert B. Anderson, who was Eisenhower's Deputy Secretary of Defense and then his Treasury Secretary. And, remember, I'm a skeptic who applied critical thinking to every claim in the book. As anybody who has been within shouting distance of me over the past 2 years know, I consider Tom O'Neill's CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, the Secret Histor. He probably didn't mention his Mum or his son but it doesn't mean they weren't in his mind. 7 Mind-Blowing Things We Learned From Joe Rogan's Charles Manson 2.2K 327 EntertainmentNo1123 5 days ago I applaud Tom O'Neil for his extreme efforts to find the truth. You give a certain impression that actually is not so. My opinion was Charles Manson was not very good at all.So, does my Twitter inter-action with George Christie mean nothing to you? Who is this O'Neill guy? Grim, in the comment I posted above, I mentioned Dennis Hurst. He's interesting because he's made up or at least his story is, it's a figment of someone's imagination, I laughed just as hard at this as I did at David Berkowitzs claim of his neighbors dog telling him to kill lol. My desire is to share info about Whitson and my friend's father to discover the alias her father was using back then. Sheilah nodded. Whether he still worked for the CIA, who knows. katie8753 said"I've still never heard of Reeve Whitson.Who was Reeve Whitson? They were connected to Ed Durston, boyfriend of Diane Linkletter. Hatami mentioned the name Reeve Whitson four times in his testimony at the Manson trial. That makes absolutely no sense. None of us would have even known the registrations were mixed up. Regardless, most of the info on my friend's father matches the info on Whitson. Reeve Whitson was born on March 25, 1931. William Weston said"Why did he not warn his friends Roman, Sharon and Jay? According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. 2) in the early 1960s, Reeve Whitson was a Business Manager for a publishing /photography company in Paris that gave him a proper cover for his intelligence operations in Europe . While I'm impressed by the civility here, it surprises me that so many people are dismissive of Reeve Wilson's role. The Reeve Whitson character is intriguing, and I just don't know what to make of Sharon Tate's father. But a lot of people only see what they want to see and if they don't want to see the truth because they don't like it then they won't see it. In order for me to know "better" you need to stop speaking in riddles and like Nehemiah, say it straight and say it straight where you're blogging ! CHAOS Question : r/TrueAnon - Reddit And this has been going on since the start of 2017. The Zodiac Killer and the CIA - Zodiac Killer Identified However, it's important not to make the same mistake some make with Charles Manson and ascribe responsibility for every dodgy activity that took place within a given span and vest them with superhuman powers. When Reeve starting working for the CIA is unknown. That guy was a waste of humanity!!! Charles Manson Case - Who Was Reeve Whitson? - YouTube I have these numbers from ONeills book in reference to Hatami and Whitson: 22239, 144483, 14508, 14542, 14554. It had been there ever since Voityck and Gibby (Abigail Folger) moved in. But I've got my eye on you. That is assuming I outlive him. Ridgeway was an asshole, there was a great part during his trial where one of his victims father's stands up in open court and forgives him and Gary breaks down weeping uncontrollably, it's heartbreaking on both sides, Beauders in an interesting twist to the Ridgeway/Green River case detectives Dave Riechert and Bob Keppel went to Florida to interview Ted Bundy since alot of his victims were in the same area and killed in similar ways, this was fairly early in the case in 1984 and one of the first things Bundy recommended was staking out a fresh dump site and watch it for a few days and that Ridgeway would be back to interact with the corpse which was one of the hallmarks of Bundy's crimes and was also exactly what Ridgeway was doing. Why did he not warn his friends Roman, Sharon and Jay? William Weston said "according to the Marie Vigil letters, the man who left the eyeglasses was Robert Linkletter. Maybe he was there during Sharon's lunch with friends but nobody saw him because he moved too fast. You got me Grim that is why I worded it the way I did, I don't remember were I saw it. Reeve Whitson of Ireland and James Webber of England shake hands on the 18th hole at the end of their singles match on the final day of the Boys Home. Join Facebook to connect with Reeve Whitson and others you may know. Folger, a former air intel officer in WWII, still kept close ties to the government. 112 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/ID[<09006881B058AD42AB4493C3B39AB84E>]/Index[77 63]/Info 76 0 R/Length 151/Prev 264529/Root 78 0 R/Size 140/Type/XRef/W[1 3 1]>>stream "Put yourself in my position. I thought you surpassed yourself in bringing in such an authority as Quincy Jones to tell us all how Sharon's Dad led the investigators to Charles Manson.but Neil Cummings ! Rick Dalton got Susan with the flamethrower and Cliff Booth smashed Krenwinkels face into the phone, fireplace mantle, glass picture on the wall and the coffee table so it's all good. He was a very dark player. He said it was Reeve who brought him to Bugliosi during the investigation. He'd get arrested, that's all.That makes absolutely no senseIt makes abundant sense. He was driving a VW van. Reeve Whitson was a major player in the Laurel Canyon scene. How did O'Neill get the transcript to the book, I heard Debra had it? McGann was nearly certain that Whitson was in the CIA, and found him "very credible. I don't care for twitter interaction. And life just gets more better and more clearer! Lamar said A lot of people only see what they want to seeUnless of course you have no agenda to begin with.Open your minds!Does not the fact that there are so many alternative theories cause you to open your mind and wonder why ? He got a call from Reeve Whitson at 7:00 in the morning, a full NINETY minutes before Winifred Chapman arrived at the Cielo houseYou do realize that if this is true, that Hatami witheld crucial information from the Police, went on the stand and testified in a trial and basically stood by while someone was tried and sentenced to death and now is happy for all the world to know this !However, I am not disputing O'Neill's sources. Mario George Nitrini 111 saidnice to see you're in top form being skeptical about me..lolI am, if nothing else, consistent on that !In all seriousness though, the dictionary definition of sceptical is "not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations. Was Charles Manson a CIA lab rat? | by Justin Ward | Medium Folger was a former intelligence officer during WWII and maintained those contacts long after the war. I've always been a massive skeptic- ironically I'm a huge fan of Bugliosi's Reclaiming History. Sorry but I just dont believe he was in that house before Winifred and the cops got there, it would have been front page news at the time, and if you're saying Whitson knew the murders were taking place and did nothing to stop them then he'd have been suspect #1, Couple more things after reading your post, why of all people would Whitson call Hatami about the murders first? According to the manuscript, Helder told Whitson to cozy up to anyone who knew Frykowskis suppliers, especially those in Mama Casss circleDoesn't this contradict your belief though ? %PDF-1.7 % His mother was a dancer and his father was a world-renowned acrobat. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? Maybe Whit Reeveson is like an imaginary friend. The following book about the Nazis, published in 1961 shows this fact on page 1 where the title and name of Reeve Whitson appears. Jul 13, 2020. Did Statman swipe it from Lt Deemer when she stole all the other stuff from his house? endstream endobj startxref Now Manson is a "secret agent"? Brenda ? grimtraveller,It's not a problem for me for you to be Skeptical of me.If you're not interested what I tweet on Twitter about The Charles Manson Family & Saga, again, no problem for me.Thanks for your replies back to me.Mario George Nitrini 111-------The OJ Simpson Case. This is the third time. I can't say if that means anything with regard to conspiracy or governmental involvement, but parole violations require neither crime nor conviction. Whitson could have gone into the house after Manson and his partner left, perhaps to perform necessary but mundane tasks such as removing bugs from the telephone and/or other places before the police arrived. That's all. By studying the case and matching up dates and testimony, it can be seen that the sands of time eventually ran out for Charles Manson which puts the kibosh on those theories that he was being protected by those "higher up" although I'm sure the theorists will say that it was because of them that Charlie's protection ran out.. Parole violations do not have to be convictions, not even crimes.Violating the conditions of your parole can be a myriad of otherwise non criminal actions; if they are spelled out in your parole.IeAssociating with known felons, drug dealers/users, drinking, drug use, possessing firearms, traveling outside a specified geographic limit etc etc etcI think it's fair to say that a career criminal with high recidivism like Manson would have had stringent parole conditions. But here's the thing. officials, KKK, Satanists, Dixie Mafia, Project Bluebird, and MKULTRA, Lookout Mt. Would he be sent back to jail for speeding ? Ridgways victims were my age, I was in high school through most of it. She didn't go along with it, but she felt it might hurt them if she took it away. They weren't there particularly long and so people trying to weave the "someone rearranged the scene afterwards" line of thought is onto a loser if they try to utilize the memories of the killers and how they left the scene. I really loved Peter Levenda's "Sinister Forces" three volume set. The CIA are not nice guys. 'We were introduced to Art Linklater, and we were also given tickets for a show by Reeve, where, during the interval, we met Andrew Lloyd Webber and Sarah Brightman backstage in their dressing room,' Alistair told me. In January the actual mechanics of HS were barely formulated in Charlie's mind. William Weston said Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. "*Winifred Chapman, presumably.Greg King's book quoting BUGLIOSI : Mrs CHAPMAN told police investigators that it had simply been placed on the back of the couch as a decorative touch a few weeks earlier .Sharon Tate Remembered by Sheila WellsThe red, white and blue nursery colors reminded me of reading about the murder scene and how there was an American flag draped over Sharon's sofa. It seems like a lot of cases have a central question and a bunch of smaller ones. Got a link? It should have been MPK 308. It's much more factual than Helter Skelter. He never worked for the CIA, or any other federal agency. Chapter 6 - Who Was Reeve Whitson? Reeve Whitson was born March 25, 1931. I'm almost endlessly fascinated by the number of people who seem to have made it their life's mission to discount the overwhelming evidence that demonstrates that for the most part, things were as they were shown to be.
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